Sai Baba and Controversy


New Items on the Internet

Fair is Fair

A new website, originally examining the Sai-Petition Website, has expanded considerably, and now examines facets of Controversy. The URL for this website is http://www.saisathyasai.com.

Tsunami and Sai Baba

Those inimical to Sai Baba look to the explanations of the tsunami from Sathya Sai Baba and generously supply their point of view: (See http://www.rfjvds.dds.nl/ex-baba/engels/shortnews/tsunami.html and pages linked.) Only too eager to doctor Sai Baba's utterances and twist with the Truth, you can view a "screen copy" of their own heading on an excerpt from the Sankranthi Discourse:

Screenshot of page on exbaba.com where Sai Baba is blamed for the Tsunami

THE TSUNAMI DISASTER & THE "OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, DIVINE" GEO-THEOLOGIST?

Priddy, former leader of the Sai Organisation in his country, interprets for Sai Baba and the tsunami.

Consular Advice to Travellers

In several countries, the Expose has been "successful" in having warnings placed on Consular Advice Websites. These warnings typically state that there are allegations of sexual misbehaviour.

screen copy of statement on exbaba.com of agitation for consular warnings

We note with interest that all websites carrying this advise refer to "persistent allegations" and "unconfirmed reports". As we have advised you earlier, the Sai Expose group have been told by the various authorities to "get a conviction" if the advise is to be more severe. No one has confirmed, and no one has even laid a charge! One advise is to ring the someone at US Consulate in Chennai, who will advise that the "prominent local religious leader" is Sai Baba.

The Secret Swami

September 2004, The Secret Swami, a video focussed on the person making the main reports of sexual abuse, is broadcast. The "Sam Young" family admit this video was very poorly produced and misrepresented the main subject. Protagonists in the Sai Expose were informed of this.

Arriving in your mailbox, daily:

It is well known that the Anti Sai lobby has conducted email campaigns targeting prominent devotees. Now, two years later, group mailing lists and mailto headers on old emails are combed to find email addresses to send letters to. Such a mail arrived in a private mailbox on 16 August 2004:

I am one of the member of the US Sai Organization
  (identity private) and we are secretly trying to
  expose our beloved God with the help of FBI officials.

  US Embassy of India has already started alerting our
  countrymen not to travel to Puttaparthi, India. This
  is stated in the Travel Advisory as the 'state of
  Andhra Pradesh' where foreigners are sexual abused
  (mostly young boys) at a 'big ashram'. 


  Please try to understand and know it for yourself that
  Swami is a big FRAUD!!! Know the real 'sathya' sai
  baba:


  http://www.exbaba.com &
 
  http://www.saiguru.net


  The one you worship day and night is not God at all!
  Know it for yourself by reading numerous reports
  aginst this 'Baba'.


  HE IS A MIND CONTROLLER, REMEMBER! SAVE YOURSELF AND
  YOUR BELOVED ONES FROM THIS BIGGEST FRAUD OF HUMAN
  CIVILIZATION!


  * Watch the videos on how he materializes the vibhuti
  and lingam: www.exbaba.com


  * Cheap acts of Sathya Sai Baba:
  http://home.no.net/anir/Sai/enigma/SaiSex.htm



  * Read the hundreds of signatures at:

  www.petitiononline.com/saibaba/

  May the real God give you some wisdom and strength to
  get out of the trap of this mind controller. OPEN YOUR
  INTELLECT AND SEARCH THE REAL SATHYA. 

  FEEL FREE TO CONTACT US REGARDING THIS ISSUE.

Sai Expose: A New Thrust

Former devotees have taken up the gauntlet to expose Sai Baba to the world via any form of media and multimedia available unto them. The Internet provides an unprotesting, silent medium for these woof-woofs. Some useful sites include that of Robert Priddy, former head of the Sai Organisation in Norway. The opening page on that site promises data on the following:

History on Google

A Google search on the internet reveals the current situation online regarding controversies surrounding Sai Baba. The third hit in the search results on Sunday 15 August 2004 is from Denmark, and has the following opening paragraph:

Message: Robert Priddy mentions the flood of mail by Sathya Sai Baba devotees to the BBC - even before the programme screened!

In confirmation of this, I have a letter from David Savill, assistant producer of 'Secret Swami.' Writing immediately after the screening, he says, "We received literally hundreds of email correspondence before and after the broadcast, phone calls and letters which keep coming in."

He also informs, "The World Service, the world's biggest radio network , broadcasting to millions in the subcontinent, Africa and the Far East picked up on the programme and broadcast a summary... In the end we had 80 hours to cut to an hour... The critical success of the film was reflected in incredible reviews from newspapers and magazines."

The Sathya Sai Organisation may be concerned about those 225 million homes in over 200 countries that Robert Priddy mentions. However, I give my complete assurance that other upcoming projects will extend to vastly greater numbers of this. Their attempts to prevent the major television corporations DR (Denmark), SBS (Australia) and BBC (UK) all failed ignominiously. How do they think they will be able to resist even greater forces than these?

A Mashup of Links

Sathya Shree Sai Baba Full title: Sarva-daivatva Swaroopa Bhagawan Sri Sri Sri Satya Sai Baba Dale Beyerstein's Sathya Sai Baba's Miracles; complete text Sathya Sai Baba's Miracles; Swedish book review; other Swedish review Sai Baba accused of sexual harassment by Conny Larsson Sai Baba and sexual harassment Divine Downfall, Daily Telegraph Sexual abuse issues in other movements Sai Baba debates; by Professor David Lane Sai Baba, the Avatar Imposter Berry Beyerstein on Sai Baba; book review Sathya Sai Baba discussion club; for and against The Sai Baba discussion forum; for and against Indian Skeptic: many articles on Sai Baba Harry Edwards on Sai Baba NHNE special report on Sai Baba Satya Sai Baba - Retelling The Story; by R.R. Gogineri Sai Baba; by Louis Hughes, Ireland Skeptics Dictionary: Sai Baba Sai Baba row with South African TV Sai Baba and the Gold Control Act; book review Six murders in Sai Baba's bedroom book Sai Baba caught faking (info on video) Sai Baba files Guru Sai Baba exposed; Global Ideas Bank Sai Baba and Sri Lankan politician Jayawardene The extreme Right psychologist Hans Eysenck believed in Sai Baba's miracles Benjamin Creme (Maitreya movement) also believes in Sai Baba Sai Baba; in English; Deutsch; Polish Sai Baba; Site Schweiz Sai Baba; Berliner Dialog Sai Baba; Information von (alte) Regierung osterreich Sai Baba; critical; French Alerte Sathya Sai Baba; Quebec Sai Baba, the unemployed, and alternative medicine; French Spanish on Sai Baba Sai Baba; CICAP. Italiano

That's a difficult paragraph to read (I can't apologise to my reader, I never wrote that). That paragraph aptly captures most of what has been given truck prior to August 2002. Most of this is covered in one way or another on this site. However, it would seem there is something of a thriving industry in muckraking about Sai Baba. Or, there could be just a search engine turning up links to dead sites.

The End of Scandal?

Perhaps the end of scandal is indeed in sight. During mid-august 2002, the saibabavictims website was unavailable. The highly popular www.saibaba-and-sex-aclearview.com was a popular site and received hundreds of visitors daily. It fell into the clutches of the advertising moguls of Belize Domain WHOIS Service Lt . After some merriment at this leela, a new incarnation has surfaced. Here is a direct link to that site. Find it here, http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/

On the other hand, the scandal effort appears to have petered out with a marked lack of attention and success to the Online Petition to Investigate Sai Baba. Perhaps this is THE signal that the end of scandal has come, as quarrels now arise about deletions from the Petition. On the other hand, the Quicktopic board administerd by Anthony Thomas has been suspended. Perhaps this is the sign of the times.

The Closed Online Petition against Sai Baba

Hackers, Bashers and trawling for scandal

Hackerz have trawled varia sites connected with this controversy. As mentioned hereunder, the Sai Critic Committee neither condones nor justifies any form of defacement on ANY, repeat ANY website. Such behaviour, apart from nuisance value, contributes nothing to the debate nor the status of the conversation on the critical sites that remain. Hacking (an illegal activity in many jurisdictions) is roundly condemned at all times and in all places. Those who would bask in attention trawl for the scandalised and seek signatories for an online petition requesting investigation into Sai Baba and his affairs. One can find natives posting for other natives requesting support here.

Chameleons and Clubs - Yahoo Necessitated Changes

Yahoo merged Yahoo Clubs with Yahoo Groups, and several clubs have resurfaced in Yahoo Groups. The inane Neuralsurfer group, once the haunt of people who write like they are little more than animals, has been restarted in Yahoo Groups. Some clubs disappeared for several days while their existence was evaluated by Yahoo. See the New Neuralsurfer Group (age restricted group - due language). Various other clubs continue. Some change form and require membership to be disclosed. Here, one club went from public to private forum, (and fell over - the image below tells all). So you can see, not much activity from the chameleons.

Yahoo Group fell over

A struggle for survival?

Some Yahoo groups are getting absolutely no attention. You can take it from us below, or click the link and verify this.

Yahoo Discussion Club stats

Disgruntled Devotees Online

There is never a dearth of those who would testify how Sai Baba failed their test or duped them. Some sit in darshan lines for years and then criticise. Some sit in lines and say they were devotees; freely admitting that they never undertook the simple minimum requirements for grace for devotees (it's really simple, this, yet these authors shoot themselves down in their disgruntlement. Here, read the chapters of discontentment, of cry foul and tell all: Here, in Norway, one can read author Robert Priddy who penned many articles in Sanathana Sarathi, and scribe his own books on Sai Baba: Enigmas Reconsidered Here
Another author who prepared indexes on Sai Baba's teachings and other relevant material to explain in an orderly way the entire language and acculturation of Hinduism surrounding Sai Baba has also penned his disgruntlement: Spanish Taught Here

Change, Change, Change

Due various forms of economic pressure experienced in the continutally changing environment of the Internet, changes occured to site locations, the content of many sites has run out of scope and and a distinct change of tempo has come with regard media exposures of the kind that the Sai Baba critiques are famous for flinging in the face of all comers. The Catholic Church is in crisis and is currently experiencing the consequences of abberant behaviour by priests and religious. Institutional change looms large.

Prime Ministers and Letters on the Internet.

Various letters have been posted on the internet. One letter is from the Sri Sathya Sai Charitable Trust of the UK to the Prime Minister of England, Mr. Tony Blair. Read it here

Another letter on another website is from the PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA, TWO FORMER CHIEF JUSTICES OF THE SUPREME COURT, the former SPEAKER OF the LOK SABHA, and other dignitaries. Read it here

Is Sai Baba Co-ordinated Expose Over?

Various activists concede that the Expose effort against Sai Baba is over and has run out of steam. Pointing to the US Consulate posting of Warning to Travellers regarding Crime in Andhra Pradesh, they themselves admit the CAMPAIGN is over. Read the references here

Stalled Investigations

The status of various asserted investigations into accusations appears to be halted?

Attending more fully to this, The main protagonists in this matter admitted online that the FBI has dismissed "evidence" as inadmissible in a US Court. What co-ordination is occuring between instruments of the US Government in this matter? These US Government Agencies and Instrumentalities look inconsistent with feet of clay.... However, we can look at some of this Government Investigation material and its history, here

Spam halts discussions

Spam messages, of the animal rights nature and postings of Sai Baba messages on various online message boards have caused many conversations to dry up. The reincarnated Quicktopic Board "sai-baba-antichrist" has halted and is now employing an authentication method on the Sunrise board. You can find the threads here.

Another Quicktopics discussion list surfaced with the alleged listing of molested students. It has seen little action, and is not worth consideration. Several persons named therein vehemently objected to being so listed. The original compilers of this list erased its listing on the "anti-christ" board and in other places, but not before it was listed in several other places on the Internet. There were some lame duck calls for students to come forth and verify that the listings were true. This was posted on David Lane's Yahoo Clubs board, and saw NO responses.

A 2001 Sai Baba Expose Club was started by a chameleon who seems to change coats and colours with the season, if not the very day. Find it here.

Ex Vice-Chancellor of Sai University writes

Dr Venkataraman, former Vice-Chancellor of the Sai University, has replied to the recent articles in The Times. Read Dr Venkataraman's letter to The Times here.

The Times, Suicide and a Cult

August 27, 2001: The Times, a once venerable and stately news media leader [London, UK], the Times of India and The Hindustan Times, whom some claim are "highly respected" newsapapers have run stories centering on an anti-cult campaigner seeking a Foreign Office warning, three unrelated suicides, the Education in Human Values Progam. These are stories largely based on concoctions, hearsay and old stories presented as factual news. Read the media evaluation here.

Sathya Sai Victims Website

On account of the recent closure of Saibabaguru.com and the demise of saibabaexposed.com, two active protaganists in the Sai Baba controversy have created yet another website to provide their point of view, refer to their 'evidence' and select coverage of media events. The site is called Sai Baba Victims. (www.sathyasaivictims.com) The name of the website preempts attitudes toward Sai Baba before any individual might peruse and assess the content the pages. Most pages were still under construction, late of July, 2001. It hints account of legal and international interventions against Sai Baba as reported in other places.

See it here

New Sai Baba Allegations Site

Another site over at Snowcrest Net (www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/) provides links and archives discussions. The main introduction runs thus:

"In India today there is a man who claims to be God himself, an avatar. He claims to be all forms of God, perfect and pure. His followers claim that he performs many miracles. He is said to materialize sacred ash, rings, watches and other objects out of air. He allegedly heals the sick, saves followers from fatal accidents, and even raises the dead. Is Sai Baba who he claims to be (God) or is he an imposter and trickster?"

View the site here

New Sai Baba and Sex Website

(www.saibaba-aclearview.com)
Ram Das Awle, an American Devotee and long-time sadhaka of various gurus, has created a new web site. This site directly addresses issues covered on the Sai Critic Site and presents another perspective and useful points of view. It also considers other spiritual issues not covered here. You may read an evaluation of this new site and link to it from this page.

ExBaba.com - Nederlands Website

WWW.exbaba.com is a Nederlands site that has material in both Dutch and a rapidly expanding English section. It has an introductory paragraph thus: The purpose of this site is to inform the public about a number of disconcerting reports that must be painful to many of Sai Baba's devotees. For some time now a lot of information in English is to be found on the web referring to his sexual dealings with male devotees of ages ranging from seven to thirty.

This in fact was four websites. There were two sites with two mirror sites set up, a very clever device to befuddle search engines and get higher search engine results for text and material. The websites were:

All run by the one person. In 2008 one of the sites was taken down; Ex-baba dot com remains active.

View the site here

Former Teacher co-ordinates action

Recently, on the moderated Quicktopic message-board, (the link is further down the page) a post was made on behalf of Barry Pittard, a person who claims he was a former teacher at the Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning, Whitefield Campus, (not quite true, Mr Pittard was a part time lecturer two days a week for two terms in the pre-institute days) which says, inter alia, (among other things), that Sai Baba is an abuser. Pittard himself did not post this and the poster responds that Pittard gave him permission to post on his behalf. Link and text can be found here

Discussion boards

An early free discussion board recently had all its messages deleted by the owner as it was spammed (blocked) by mischievous and ill-intending persons, simply intent on halting conversation. This discussion list now sees little traffic, if any. It has probably been abandoned, and currently shows some erratic posts. It may be found here.

Another discussion board called Sai Baba - anti christ? may be found here, where some references to US Government responses in India were listed. This was a heavily moderated list, not allowing for dissenting points of view or debate of issues. This list was closed on or about 18 August 2001. It reincarnated shortly thereafter, here

Closed List: http://www.quicktopic.com/7/H/uVTiRX8McBie

New List: http://www.quicktopic.com/8/H/qYarJBpGLW7G6

These two sites have now been excised considerably by the the original author who dropped his bundle fairly early in the piece with alleged students posting about molestations (most fake) and reprisals and slanging matches going on in the various posts. Spam necessitated suspensions and serious cleaning up. Now, all has been excised.

saibabaguru.com closes

Recently, the site that was host to many messages, letters of resignation, archives, testimonials and many links, (and an amazing hit counter) has closed down (www.saibabaguru.com). The handwritten testimony of the 15 year old boy was removed from this site on legal advice. The webmaster, Keenan Alethia, had received death threats and unsalutary mail from mischievous and ill-intending persons. The Sai Critic does not condone any harmful, threatening or unlawful behaviour. The site has since been taken over by a domain squatter. See here

Recant, Defense and Doubt

Timothy Conway, author of the circular email referred to in 'We don't know' has retracted a statement he made in those circular letters. He has continued to speak in his former vein of ice cool outrage against sexual crimes, and expresses more even-handed doubts about Sai Baba. Read here.

WE DON'T KNOW

This document was created by Jack Hawley, in Prasanthi Nilayam, on or about 13 December 2000 and distributed online as email by Jack Hawley (Author of Re-Awakening The Spirit in Work - The Power of Dharmic Management) and others. You may read this here.

Some others have chosen to distribute this note among former devotees and followers of Sai Baba together with analysis and criticism of Jack Hawley's writing. The Sai Critic choses to take an opportunity to respond to Hawley's critics and detractors. After all, there is savage criticism that does not consider the context and target of Hawley's written note. You may read of this opportunity here: here

BIRTHDAY COVERAGE

At the present time, the amount of information on the Internet relating to Sai Baba and controversy is expanding. Further reports have appeared in the press since the 75th Birthday celebration, and online critiques are claiming objectivity and clarity; Newspaper and Online editorial staff have been interviewing devotees and ex-devotees worldwide. It has also emerged that some checkbook-journalism, paying the disaffected to talk, and bribing others to speak out against Sai Baba has occurred.

INDIA TODAY CRITICISM

During the week of 27 November, 2000, India Today (December 04, issue), ran a cover story and several subsidiary stories centered on Sai Baba and surrounding issues of divinity and Sai Baba's credibility. You may read these here. Response to this particular coverage of Sai Baba is afforded and NECESSARY because some stories, without verification, are now passed off as fact, and assumptions are presented as "common knowledge". You may peruse story and critique here.

Concerned devotees have expressed reservations at the cavalier treatment of Sathya Sai Baba by the India Today Magazine. You may read one such response here

Sexual Abuse Allegations

India Today Magazine claims to account status of allegations from some persons vocal about their experience of Sai Baba and presents its own precis of the allegations against Sai Baba. In fact, India Today has NO writs, affidavits or charge sheets. Read here.

TEHELKA.COM CURRENT AFFAIRS

Jimi Hendrix a devotee? Steve Waugh, Captain of Australia Cricket Team and the beady eyed Israeli Army trained Seva Dal??? Whoa, this is NEWS ... Read On! The Sai Critic advises that as at late August 2001, tehelka.com is in financial difficulties and may not be available online.

History on the Internet

Do you know what was being said several years ago by the main protagonists? How have they kept to the facts, how have they stuck to their guns with their original story; what embellishments and hyperbole have gained accreditation over the passage of time? What rumours are now passed off as fact? How and by what means has this exchange, debate, and polemic expanded?

Discussing Doubt

It is useful to know what has passed on the Internet with regard to the stories told by these unhappy protagonists. First there was the exchanges in the newsgroups (the earlier verison of Internet Chat) soc.culture.indian. A Sandeha Nivarini (Dissolving Doubt) thread was maintained for years there.

A rather well known site was maintained for years at Delphi.com by Bon Giovanni. His pages on the three types of online carpers addresses the history of several persons mentioned on these two pages. Bon Giovanni also maintains SatGuru, international online Satsangh. There is one forum, Sandeha Nivarini, for discussion of issues covered on those pages.

Dr Lane's Many Sites

Further internet exposure came via David Lane's site where he kept and posted copies of emails between many of the early protagonists in this debate. Since then, David Lane has set up a discussion venue in Yahoo Clubs, in which little more than noisy posturing and invective obtain. Many exchanges are defiled by invective, filth and are otherwise immature, frequently. It is a poor example of human communication.

Myfreeoffice.com

One of the original protaganists possessed a well-known site: the Web Site of Khorramshahgols. In early January, 2001, this site became unavailable as the site provider became a part of the dot.com crash. Saibabaexposed.com is no longer available. This site was linked with another Sai Baba Discussion Club at Yahoo Clubs. This club was very well moderated until late 2000 and mid 2001 when the discussion descended to the approximately same level as David Lane's Club. Lately, this club has been selectively moderated.



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